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  • #4130
    OneOrTwo
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    I’d like to start my 11 and 13 yr old girls ww kayaking (I’m an open boater who’s seen the light…) and I’m shopping the used market for one or two boats to get them started.

    I was thinking of Booster 50 or Blitz Special as possible options – inexpensive, low volume, older designs apparently OK for river running. New or recent vintage used boats are not an option for now ($$).

    Your thoughts and advice? Thanks!

    #27302
    1-Blade
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    "OneOrTwo":2tsercjp wrote:
    I’d like to start my 11 and 13 yr old girls ww kayaking (I’m an open boater who’s seen the light…) and I’m shopping the used market for one or two boats to get them started.

    I was thinking of Booster 50 or Blitz Special as possible options – inexpensive, low volume, older designs apparently OK for river running. New or recent vintage used boats are not an option for now ($$).

    Your thoughts and advice? Thanks![/quote:2tsercjp]

    If you are an open boater, then why not look at the Splash? It is an open boat designed specifically for kids. Pretty much indestructible, too. If you haven’t seen one, there are some pictures from PalmerFest on my site at http://peter.lpi-solutions.com/zoph/pho … 8&_off=132

    #27303
    Kevin M
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    Don’t try to bring him back to your one bladed voodoo ways.
    It would be completely irresponsible to handicap a new boater by forcing them into the cult of C1.

    Depending how big your kids are the evo is a good boat. Fast and surfs very well. Generally good for up to 120lbs. My son got out of his when he was 9 and cleared 110lbs and went for an s6f 191 at first if seemed too big for him. Now at 11 and 120lbs it seems perfect. My daugther is 13 85lb. and is still using an evo.
    She thinks the s6f is way too big for her. She is starting to talk((whine) about getting a different boat but I haven’t found one better suited to her size yet.
    Another choice is the 6.1 kingpin but I thought they were kind of slow.

    It really depends on the boating they are going to do. Having a kid cross a lot of flatwater on a Kingpin or jackson boat might be more trouble than it is worth.

    In my experience the speed of the evo makes up for it’s lack of full on playboating ability. But I’m an old school boater at heart.
    If they are just starting, I suggest using a cheap vinyl skirt to start with. They fall off easily and keep some water out. The upside is if they panic upside down the skirt will come off without them having to search for the grab loop. Cuts down on giving them a fear of boating.

    #27304
    Monkeyjoe
    Participant

    height and weight range are better descriptions….my 12 year old niece is heavier and taller than me :smile:

    hate to lose the next gen of OC1 but if this is what the girls want (you did ask them eh :wink: )

    I’ve got a kid on each platform……Jackson fun 1 and we tow her in flatwater…..the Evo was recommended by many to us but she fell in love with the little Jackson boat……. the snapdragon skirts are pretty good (have a knee strap for an additional opportunity to pop it and she’s had to use it)….Kevin I’m curious about the vinyl skirt…will it take class 2 water without imploding? <img loading=:” title=”Question” />
    her next boat I think will be the Jackson Hero(?) the little river runner, my kid is not into playing in holes but she likes to try and surf and run rivers and catch eddies……I can’t knock the FUN 1, it’s been great but I’d like a bigger volume upfront so she doesn’t always get a chest full of water…she’s tiny for her age. And I’m a parent…so I worry :smile:
    the little Oc-1 kid is 8 and doing great (splash)…….
    boating with them, I prefer that the OC girl has a better line of sight and can exit her boat quickly if needed.
    It’s a false assumption that thye won’t catch on to paddling on one side….. you wouldn’t beleive how fast they pick things up like going to offside stokes naturally…but don’t want to get burned by Kevin <img loading=” title=”Very Happy” /> and this thread is about kayaks and kids….if I see any cheap kids boats in my travels I’ll post back….have seen Jacksons for 3-400 american…
    Cheers
    Gail

    #27305
    OneOrTwo
    Participant

    11 yr old is 75lb, 4’5"
    13 yr old is 110lb, 5’1"

    I suspect that the 11yr old should be in a "kid’s" boat. At 110lb, would a Booster 50 be OK for 13 yr old?

    Realistically, we’ll probably be paddling at Champlain, Petite Nation, Madawaska for a while and I suspect the girls will be more into river running, catching eddies, basic surfing than pure playboating.

    Thanks!

    #27306
    cboater
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    "Kevin M":3ub8ua2z wrote:
    Don’t try to bring him back to your one bladed voodoo ways.
    It would be completely irresponsible to handicap a new boater by forcing them into the cult of C1.
    [/quote:3ub8ua2z]

    That’s it, I’ve had it with your rants Kevin M….

    Next time I’m upside down, I’ll send a secret message via the river snakes and perhaps a mean old Gar to pay special attention to your kayak. Should be as early as saturday.

    #27307
    Kevin M
    Participant

    The jackson boats were made with kids in mind but I thought they were kind of slow.

    The vinyl skirts were bought from a teaching school. I think they cost around $40.00 or $50.00 although I paid $25.00 because they were used.
    Email Jeff and ask him if he has or has heard of these skirts. If not there is another retailer that has them but Jeff at boatwerks should be your first stop.

    My kids used them on the Grand and the Ottawa. Water would seep in but the benefits outweighed having to stop to let out the water. I would not let my kids have neoprene skirts until they learned to roll in whitewater.

    #27308
    Monkeyjoe
    Participant

    [quote:1tb4oe1e]I would not let my kids have neoprene skirts until they learned to roll in whitewater.
    [/quote:1tb4oe1e]

    that would have been a nice FYI 2 years ago (though a wet exit was sufficent) canoes are looking better all the time <img loading=” title=”Very Happy” />
    I dropped Jeff a line thanks…
    anyways sorry for the hyjack…it was a very intereting piece of info…now bac to boats eh!
    the Jackson I guess is slow? don’t know she seems to keep up in white water….but it will do what the adult boat does…engage an edge and you are going fro a stern blunt(?) at best….punch a hole too slow and you will surf across it. I would love to see her move to a canoe but she won’t

    anyways the orginal question wasn’t answered:
    [quote:1tb4oe1e]I suspect that the 11yr old should be in a "kid’s" boat. At 110lb, would a Booster 50 be OK for 13 yr old?
    [/quote:1tb4oe1e]

    #27309
    Jim
    Participant

    All three of my kids started in Dagger Blasts. It is a fast, easy to paddle boat that allows beginners to develop good basic paddling skills, catch eddies, surf whatever they want and is easy to roll. We used MEC neoprene skirts for them and they never had a problem getting out (i.e. knowing how to wet exit). My wife even used a Blast to run the Kipawa one year. We also used them on canoe trips (Fildegrande, Dumoine, Petawawa) – tow on the flats and paddle the rapids in the kayak.

    The Blast won’t keep them from the dark side though…. two of them now paddle and race C-1

    #27310
    cmnypny
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    "Jim":21qn2e44 wrote:
    All three of my kids started in Dagger Blasts. It is a fast, easy to paddle boat that allows beginners to develop good basic paddling skills, catch eddies, surf whatever they want and is easy to roll. We used MEC neoprene skirts for them and they never had a problem getting out (i.e. knowing how to wet exit). My wife even used a Blast to run the Kipawa one year. We also used them on canoe trips (Fildegrande, Dumoine, Petawawa) – tow on the flats and paddle the rapids in the kayak.

    The Blast won’t keep them from the dark side though…. two of them now paddle and race C-1[/quote:21qn2e44]

    You have it all wrong … double blading is the darkside … your obviously confused :lol:

    Seriously though … it is nice that you managed to have the whole family paddling. That is an accomplishment in itself.

    #27311
    Kevin M
    Participant

    You’re cboater voodoo won’t effect me.

    However looking back on my most recent times paddling with kids, I would suggest that you let them C1, give them the worst boat you can find. Is the mad dog still around? and fill their pockets with rocks. It is somewhat annoying to have an 11 year old start picking on your boating abilities.

    As for the Jackson Boats, they are an easy boat to learn in, they are definitely slower than the evo. However I beleive EJ designed the EVO too so it may not be far off in design. Also as far as kids learning there is something to be said for having kids in a common type of boat so they can get pointers from people around them. Kingpin 6.1 and Jackson boats will fi that bill. The Evo may be a little long for some of the moves.

    The only thing that really matters is keeping them from having a bad experience. Always make sure they have their grab loop on the outside of the skirt. If you are keeping an eye on 2 kids by yourself it is really important to let other boaters know what level your kids are boating at.
    People are usually quite willing to keep an eye out for them and usually are good at offering tips that they will listen to. If the kids are in an awkward mood they won’t listen to their parents but will listen of someone elses advice. I was somewhat strict about having them listen to our orders on the river. ie If my wife or I said paddle hard to the left shore they had to or they could walk the rest of the river. This was in case a raft was coming or perhaps one kid was swimming and we needed the other one safe in an eddy so we could concentrate on the rescue. We needed to be sure they would obey us in an emergency. It worked most of the time. However I think you can only get a certain amount of obedience out of a child and what you gained on the river you lose off river.

    Good luck. Hopefully they will stick to kayaks and i can see many years ahead with them making fun of the single blade swim team.

    #27312
    1-Blade
    Participant

    Open boat, C1 or kayak… it doesn’t really matter as long as they are having fun. Don’t let the supposed learning curve for single-blade boats put you off. After watching the clinics at Palmer Fest it is obvious that it doesn’t take the kids long to get the hang of whatever they are paddling. My son started paddling solo in an Aftershock (freestyle OC1… no concept of forward and virtually no hull speed) at 12 and by the next season his roll was pretty much 100% and he was running the Ottawa and anything else you could throw at him. Now (third season) he thinks surfing in Coliseum is fun :shock:

    #27313
    Mano
    Participant

    I’ve got three kids one who weighs 118lbs in a S6f 191and two who weigh between 80 and 85 lbs in Jackson 1.5 both of which I bought used. They are out there for a half descent price it just takes some time and patience to find one.

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