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  • #4616
    Ryan
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    Hi – This thread was inspired by Ted’s post about a new way to learn to roll. There was a post there with some links to youtube videos about how to roll – thanks for posting those by the way. They are quite good. I checked out the backdeck roll video because I keep getting tripped up when trying it. I notice that in some videos the roll is completed without a change in direction of the sweeping paddle blade. By this I mean that the boat is rolled up while the blade is still sweeping from the back to the front and the paddler ends up with a forward lean. On other videos I, I see that once the paddler flips the boat over his or her head, they then change the direction of the paddle blade and pull back and come up similar to a "regular" roll.

    I can’t seem to get it the first way. I haven’t tried it the second way but I don’t see myself having a problem with it. Are both viable options? Not just on flatwater, but in a hole where it seems most useful? Is the second method a decent want to learn the first method? Have I lost you completely?

    Thanks – Ryan

    #29488
    Joe P
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    In a hole the first method that you explained is what I find works best. again having both options allows you to react to the sercomstances that you are in. sometime if you back deck roll and and charging down the face of the wave and about to pearl. then to switch it to a high brace so that you can carve it out is useful.

    Most people have an issue with back deck rolls off thier right side. This is because of the twist of the paddle. when you go off your left side you can use both blades to support you as you do the transfer around the back.

    If you have a 0 offset you can do both side equally. other wise it takes over rotating the paddle so that the face is angled up. this can some times cause issues though.

    The best method that I found to learn how to do a back deck roll is to go out with some one that can do them well and slow so that you can watch the techniqie first hand and imatate the motions. not sure where you are from but if we ever meet up on the river I would gladly help you out.

    #29489
    Ryan
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    Thanks Joe – it sounds like both are viable options depending on the circumstances.

    #29490
    Joe P
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    In the dynamics of a wave any way you use to get your self surfing on your boat rather then your face is viable!!!
    :lol:

    #29491
    Ryan
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    True Enough Joe!!

    #29492
    JamesGolick
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    I find the first way to be a lot quicker, and useful, personally. That’s really what a back deck roll is.

    The second way is more like a weird method of flipping over, and then performing the end of a C-to-C roll.

    The great thing about the back deck roll is that it’s one fluid motion from flipping over to coming back up. When you watch some of the best playboaters do it, it usually looks like they don’t flip over at all. The best back-deck rollers hardly ever spend any time upside down, and are far more retentive surfers. If you go with the second way you described, you don’t get these benefits.

    So, working on your back deck roll… focus on your hips. Try getting in your boat, on dry land, and flipping over, and feeling the motion of righting your boat from that position.

    Another thing that has helped me teaching this roll is to describe it as being a lot like just rolling over out of your boat. So, try lying down on your stomach, with your paddle in your hands, and roll yourself in to a sitting position.

    Hope some of that helps.

    #29493
    Ryan
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    Thanks James – I’ll try your ideas. I’m thinking along the sames line as you with regards to the two possible finishing strokes for the roll.
    Ryan

    #29494
    Ryan
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    Is it true that it can be difficult to back deck roll on your off side because your paddle with have a tendency to dive due to the offset?

    I’m assuming that you are using a paddle with feather and not a 0 degree paddle.

    #29495
    Brazzler
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    "Ryan":17ntb5ps wrote:
    Is it true that it can be difficult to back deck roll on your off side because your paddle with have a tendency to dive do to the offset?[/quote:17ntb5ps]

    only if your paddle is feathered. If you have no offset then your paddle will not dive on either side.

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