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    Kevin M
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    #17978
    TimH
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    It is wild… I paddled the Rupert with a group of teenagers (Hi Etienne!…) back in 2003. Oatmeal falls (pictured) is massive, but The Fours further downstream (and not visible from a road) are even more impressive. There’s more power in that river than any other one I’ve seen (including the Ottawa, Coppermine, Harricanaw). It’s actually not a great whitewater tripping river in some ways because everything is so big you always end up doing sneak routes (class 2 within 20m of shore and class 4-5 in the middle is a pretty common sight).
    And after a 39 billion dollar buyout of the Cree (I think I have that number right, but look it up before you quote me anywhere…) Hydro Quebec is shutting it down. Believe it or not, they’re actually not damming the river itself, rather they are diverting it up into one of the larger reservoirs further north (I think the Eastmain). The flow in the Rupert channel itself will be down to about 10% of its original. It’ll basically be a creek (well, maybe a Madawaska…) in front of Waskaganish when it hits James Bay. I heard 2012 as the date when the taps go off…but again, look it up before you quote me.
    The Rupert’s what I think of every time I turn off a light in my house… How many rivers have we already lost because of our need for energy and convenience? Anybody know what’s happening with the Magpie? Are they developping it?

    #17979
    PaulyO
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    Two words (i think)

    Monkeywrench Gang

    #17980
    Rich
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    "TimH":rx7teb14 wrote:
    It is wild… I paddled the Rupert with a group of teenagers (Hi Etienne!…) back in 2003. Oatmeal falls (pictured) is massive, but The Fours further downstream (and not visible from a road) are even more impressive. There’s more power in that river than any other one I’ve seen (including the Ottawa, Coppermine, Harricanaw). It’s actually not a great whitewater tripping river in some ways because everything is so big you always end up doing sneak routes (class 2 within 20m of shore and class 4-5 in the middle is a pretty common sight).
    And after a 39 billion dollar buyout of the Cree (I think I have that number right, but look it up before you quote me anywhere…) Hydro Quebec is shutting it down. Believe it or not, they’re actually not damming the river itself, rather they are diverting it up into one of the larger reservoirs further north (I think the Eastmain). The flow in the Rupert channel itself will be down to about 10% of its original. It’ll basically be a creek (well, maybe a Madawaska…) in front of Waskaganish when it hits James Bay. I heard 2012 as the date when the taps go off…but again, look it up before you quote me.
    The Rupert’s what I think of every time I turn off a light in my house… How many rivers have we already lost because of our need for energy and convenience? Anybody know what’s happening with the Magpie? Are they developping it?[/quote:rx7teb14]

    Hey, thinking of heading up there and running the Rupert this fall, what other stuff is there around there that is worth hitting if we are all the way up there?

    Thanks

    Rich

    #17981
    Boydo
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    I also had the chance to do a trip on the Rupert back in 2003, and I echo Tim’s statement that it is the most powerful river I have ever seen. Although I disagree with him a little on the whitewater as we actually run some of the meaty lines at the camp I guided for :wink:

    However, it will be a great loss once the water is shut off as it has some of the most impressive whitewater in the country, as well a deep rooted history. Even back in 2003 the effect of the surveyors etc. was very visible as things were marked out, helicopter landings cut into the woods, it really took away from the natural scenery one would expect on such a remote river.

    Rich, how and where do you plan on paddling it?

    Cheers,

    Geoff

    #17982
    TimH
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    "Rich":kuy2uw50 wrote:
    Hey, thinking of heading up there and running the Rupert this fall, what other stuff is there around there that is worth hitting if we are all the way up there?

    Rich[/quote:kuy2uw50]

    Hey Rich –

    What are you looking for? A multi-day tripping river, or somewhere to park and play?

    As far as tripping, I have always heard good things about the Pontax (a bit further north) and the Broadback (a bit further south). I think both are smaller volume than the Rupert, with the Broadback probably being bigger than the Pontax. I haven’t paddled either of them, but know a couple people who have, so if you’re looking for info, timothyholland’at’gmail’dot’com and I can try and put you in touch.

    If you’re looking to park and play, I’m really not sure. That wasn’t what I had on my mind when we came through with our 17 foot tripping boats… Oatmeal falls on the James Bay highway and another class 4-5 drop further upstream are the only sets I know with road access. I don’t know what’s near the road on the other rivers.

    "Boydo":kuy2uw50 wrote:
    I also had the chance to do a trip on the Rupert back in 2003, and I echo Tim’s statement that it is the most powerful river I have ever seen. Although I disagree with him a little on the whitewater as we actually run some of the meaty lines at the camp I guided for

    [/quote:kuy2uw50]

    I believe I know this camp of which you speak… I led the 2003 trip with VickyW. So we were on the river the same summer? We ran it July. You?

    #17983
    H2Ovoxel
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    Here is a link to a group that is opposing this project:
    http://www.reverencerupert.org/accueil.php?lg=en

    Potential paddlers for the Rupert may want to keep an eye on the ‘join an expedition’ page on that site. They organize both guided and non-guided expeditions; I’m not sure how all that works. YES, there is a link there to enable you to sign a petition.

    Yah the Broadback is going to be a good chunk bigger than the Pontax. Here is a trip report from a canoeist’s perspective:
    http://www.geocities.com/l_kovac/broadback.htm (as that is a geocities site it may not load after too many visits ??)

    I certainly have an interest in paddling/visiting up that way as well, but there is a good chance that it will have to wait until 2007. Still I’d be interested in hearing about any trips being put together for this year. Perhaps in Aug. 06’. Just as long as it is blueberry season I should be happy:

    [img:194tonhe]http://usera.imagecave.com/lkovac/0870FCBlueberrypicking.jpg[/img:194tonhe]

    Some other larger images from the geocities page are here:
    http://usera.imagecave.com/lkovac/

    #17984
    Boydo
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    "TimH":1txn25tr wrote:
    I believe I know this camp of which you speak… I led the 2003 trip with VickyW. So we were on the river the same summer? We ran it July. You?[/quote:1txn25tr]

    We were on in August when the weather was nice and sunny as opposed to cold and rainy <img loading=” title=”Cool” /> . Ran into Marco and his group when they came off the Martin, it was good times.

    Geoff

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