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  • #4596
    Zed
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    I’m heading to Nova Scotia for a few weeks in end August-September and I’d like to do some ocean kayak surfing. I want to buy a plastic whitewater boat that would be good for ocean surfing. Any recommendations on some boat options (I’m 5’8" and 230 lbs w/32" inseam)? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

    #29409
    patrick
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    not that i have ever gone ocean surfing, but i believe there seems to be to ways to do it: actually surf, ie. get a super fast boat that you can carve around, OR just paddle a normal boat and work to gather speed and then but-bounce a move.

    the first would be a lot less frustrating, and as such you’d want one of corran’s boats, (or the fluid element, which is not out yet)

    you are a heavy-ish guy so i think the normal squashtail is too small for you, but i think there are larger ones too. i think corran will know more about this though. I don’t know if there are any other plastic boats out there that would be fast enough for real fun though…

    #29410
    Phitty
    Participant

    At 5,8 and 230 lbs you are going to find this difficult indeed. SOme options:

    Riot Tekno (if you fit)
    Dragorossi Thruster and Squashtail (large)
    Necky Orbitfish (you’ll fit)
    Riot Boogie (if you fit)

    Other than those you are looking at a fibreglass dedicated surf boat, or a plastic playboat (you’ll be stuck in the foam), or an old school long boat.

    P.

    #29411
    Joe P
    Participant

    Corran had a boat that he made under the dragorossi name called the "nightmare". It was a dedicated surf boat. looks fast. not sre if he is making them or if it was only a proto. he’s in montreal at his surf shop

    2Imagine Store
    1320 Charlevoix
    Montreal QC H3K 3A3
    Canada

    Tel (514) 504 5522

    [url:3s5tsoax]http://www.murkywaterkayak.com/kayakdetail_nightmare_overview.html[/url:3s5tsoax]

    #29412
    Bobbie
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    "Joe P":1nvbay70 wrote:
    Corran had a boat that he made under the dragorossi name called the "nightmare".[url:1nvbay70]http://www.murkywaterkayak.com/kayakdetail_nightmare_overview.html[/url:1nvbay70][/quote:1nvbay70]

    Looking through the other longer boats on that site and the videos for them, man do those long surf boats bore and annoy the crap out of me!

    Every time the guy carves down the face in my head I’m screaming for him to blunt or airscrew! It’s like, "AAARRGGH… DO SOMETHING!"

    Corran’s short boat looks way cooler…

    I’ve never taken a spud boat on an ocean wave, but I had a wicked time last year in my Air 60 on lake Ontario waves… I understand that ocean waves are a lot faster than lake waves, but I still think I’d rather get worked in my Astro on the waves in those videos than fart around on one of those crappy long things…..

    I seriously don’t understand….. If you’re just going to carve around on the wave, why not stop being a loser and stand on a surfboard? Maybe if the wave was ‘Jaws’ it would be a little ridiculous to try a short boat, but it’s not like most ocean waves (or any in those videos) are 50 footers…..

    If those dudes are supposed to be good surf kayakers, you’d think they’d at least throw a helix or something….. Looks like they’d get enough edge release for a helix…..

    I just can’t help thinking that if you’re on an ocean wave you should:

    a. be windsurfing.
    b. be surfing.
    c. be trying to throw aerial moves in a kayak.

    Those long surf kayaks are, to me at least, like power-walking… or T-ball… or maybe 5-pin bowling :lol:

    In plastic, the O-Fish or Squashtail sound like great boats for ocean waves to me…..

    R.

    #29413
    Phitty
    Participant

    You should see one on a river wave and you might change your tune. (maybe – to each their own.)

    I saw Corran and Fisher at Chambly one day in a Crazy 88 (the fibreglass surf boat, not Dagger’s version) and you would not believe how fast they ripped around. Like you blink, you missed it.

    It was different but definitely cool looking, and probably heaps of fun.

    P.

    #29414
    Bobbie
    Participant
    "Phitty":3heult79 wrote:
    You should see one on a river wave and you might change your tune.[/quote:3heult79]

    I’m actually very open-minded… I’d love to see some video or something!

    I’ve never seen those boats on anything other than an ocean wave, where surfers are pretty much carving just as hard and fast… and windsurfers are getting 20 feet of air off the lip…..

    R.

    #29415
    Zed
    Participant

    For now, given I’m a heavy-ish guy, none of the current plastic boats make much sense to me and most require a $6-800 minimum investment. For the current trip to Nova Scotia, it seems like a better idea to buy some old plastic (e.g. Necky Jive 810) at a really good price and keep my eyes on the Fluid Element for the near future (some of stuff on youtube has got me pretty keen on this boat for a future purchase e.g. [url:2ilemh1n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSi_8GQhKA[/url:2ilemh1n] , [url:2ilemh1n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxLwwo1i_g4[/url:2ilemh1n] , [url:2ilemh1n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J-B4Fbx03c[/url:2ilemh1n]). So for now I’ll visit Jenney Craig and continue to outrage Jenney Right Side (with my boring carving and side and back surfing). Thanks again for all of your advice.

    #29416
    ThomL
    Moderator

    The Jive 8′ 10" will be a great boat for playing in the waves. If you just want to surf, and spinning isn’t important to you, look at an RPM Max: lots of hull speed and a good carving edge on the stern, with lots of bow bouyancy for keeping the nose up.

    Carving [u:9dfiee18]is[/u:9dfiee18] doing something Bobby. You may have never been in a boat with good hull speed and good edges, so can be excused for not knowing how great a feeling it can be. Aerial is cool, but is not the be all and end all in any sport. Some of us like to be on the ground, or on the water, with a good edge set in and feeling all those Gs as we scream across the water or the snow.

    #29417
    Bobbie
    Participant
    "ThomL":3doc6925 wrote:
    You may have never been in a boat with good hull speed and good edges, so can be excused for not knowing how great a feeling it can be.[/quote:3doc6925]

    You’re right, I’ve never experienced that….. I can tell you, though, that carving into a jibe on a sailboard going 25-30mph is ok… y’know, kinda exciting….. Well, it’s cool, but I’m sure it’s not nearly as intense as being in a boat with good hull speed….. :wink:

    Yeah, I’m biased… I was a sailboard instructor for 2 years….. I was as big into sailboarding as I am into kayaking now, and if I could afford a winter home in Barbados I probably would be again….. I got sick of crappy windsurfing in Canada after going down to the Caribbean too many times…..

    "Zed":3doc6925 wrote:
    (some of stuff on youtube has got me pretty keen on this boat for a future purchase e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSi_8GQhKA , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxLwwo1i_g4 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J-B4Fbx03c)[/quote:3doc6925]

    THOSE VIDEOS ARE AWESOME! <img loading=” title=”Very Happy” />

    #29418
    stew27
    Participant

    agreed….that element looks SICK!

    #29419
    lowe
    Participant

    I surfed in a Necky gliss for first couple of years and now use my g-force ,,having a much better time of it ..Used to surf lots and found the ol gliss pearled more pitchpooled more and well just now as fun .I don’t catch every wave ,but set yourself up right and you’ll have fun .Most of us us whatever boat we have to surf with only couple folks I know around here have surf kayaks and has been mentioned in other posts they do lots of carving ,but not much else.
    go to http://www.atlantickayaker.com/ there is a surf comp going on sept 22nd or post a message on http://groups.google.ca/group/paddlenovascotia/
    and hook up with some of the locals .Sorry I think I’ll be i Ottawa during that timeframe or i’d show you a few spots.But post on the list there’s always people looking to get out for some fun ..

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