September 6, 2007 at 10:51 pm #4758
I don’t have many problems with rafts, but one thing that really gets me mad as a kayaker is when rafts go through the holes at pushbutton that paddlers play in. What is the extra thrill here? Is it really that big a hit? Is it much different than the waves adjacent to the holes?
I was out there today and one of the companies sent their entire trip through the playspots narrowly missing one paddler who had to get out of the way really quick.
Anyone else notice this being a new practice or has it been going on for a while? Just venting…September 7, 2007 at 12:14 am #30279parrotheadParticipant
it’s all part of the show. An entire trip, in September, must have lasted for almost 5 minutes. Don’t you have anything else to think about?September 7, 2007 at 12:37 am #30280zack splaineParticipant
they usually always go threw it,, i live on the ottawa and i see it all the timeSeptember 7, 2007 at 12:47 am #30281SkippyParticipant
You might want to try the "through" form of the word.September 7, 2007 at 2:59 am #30282
I guess they should get out and make the clients portage the raft around Pushbutton.September 7, 2007 at 3:13 am #30283zack splaineParticipant
my bad,, i wasnt paying attention to my spellingSeptember 7, 2007 at 4:30 am #30284"Hipnazi":3q1spbhq wrote:I guess they should get out and make the clients portage the raft around Pushbutton.[/quote:3q1spbhq]
That wasn’t the point.September 7, 2007 at 5:09 am #30285patrickParticipant
i also find it very annoying. some guides miss it very deliberately and some hit it deliberately and i think it is painful personallySeptember 7, 2007 at 11:37 am #30286McCoyParticipant
Interesting how people bitch about the rafts and behaviour of guides, yet rarely are the "culprits" identified in this space. Nothing like a little bad press to get someone’s attention. Oh believe me, the companies and guides do monitor this site.
Who’s going to argue with a barge anyway? Get out of the way of the upstream craft
McCoySeptember 7, 2007 at 12:12 pm #30287JoonParticipant
If that’s where the water flows the fastest and that’s where the raft has to go, then fine…but what gets me, is other kayakers…..
If you want to catch the hole on your way down, by all means go for it, but on the weekend when there are 20 people waiting in line for their turn, WHY do you have to run your boat right through the play hole? It is SO easy to miss it, and still end up in the nice big eddy! Arg!September 7, 2007 at 12:25 pm #30288Lizard365Participant
well I know from experience from being a raft guide taking the customers through pushbutton is one of the few rapids where we don’t have to do it the exact company line because there isn’t one. That gives us alittle bit of fun with the customers and try and scare them and hit it any which way we can. Every single other rapid either has a certain line or is too small to have any fun onSeptember 8, 2007 at 2:02 pm #30289
I knew what the point was.
The under lying point is that your fun is more important than a rafters fun.
If I get your description of an incident right, sounds to me like surfers are staying on the wave hoping the rafts will run right of them thru the center of this little rapid instead of enjoying the same water that keeps you entertained.
What your suggesting is certain types should sit in a different part of the bus. Seriously, how can you think that different river craft should be excluded from certain areas of the river?
Can you say Kayakcentric View!September 8, 2007 at 4:49 pm #30290
No, that’s not it either. I was merely making the observation that a 22 foot long raft gets little out of hitting the 2 playholes at pushbutton. Rafts this size get just as much fun if they avoid the holes and go through the waves to the right of the holes. The rafters will have just as much fun if they do this. That is why I think they should avoid the playholes. I used to guide for WT years ago and we would not go through the pushbutton playholes for that reason. It was a courtesy.
Yes, this is a kayak centered view but also a small boat viewpoint and my opinion might be different if they were small rafts coming down. Moreover, I don’t have this same view when we talk about other larger playspots like garb or horseshoe… just pushbutton. If all of the large raft trips went through the pushbutton holes in the summer (thankfully only a minority of them do) the waits would be a lot longer, paddlers would probably get hit by the rafts more often, and the customers would not get any more of a thrill.September 8, 2007 at 7:23 pm #30291patrickParticipant
i agree. i think it is courtesy, and also that the guides know that it is appreciated when a raft goes to the right. Whenever at PB, i always notice what the rafts are doing: wether going through the hole or to the right. I just it shows the guides giving us some respect or soemthing.
One exception. The hole does give a bigger splash, and so I think that the family trips should go through there because any extra splash helps for those trips.September 9, 2007 at 4:19 am #30292
Kinda like it used to be a courtesy for surfers to get out of the way!
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